Cohen Admitted It Was ‘Plausible’ That Trump Wasn’t Telling Him To Lie To Congress
Chuck Ross on May 21, 2019
- Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen acknowledged he might have misinterpreted what he’s claimed were instructions from President Donald Trump to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
- Cohen testified in March that he believed Trump was instructing him to lie by telling him to “cooperate” with House investigators in 2017.
- Cohen said he believed Trump was telling him in coded language to lie, but he admitted it was “plausible” he had misinterpreted Trump’s comments.
- The testimony, released Monday, further undercuts a BuzzFeed report that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress.
Michael Cohen acknowledged in congressional testimony it was “plausible” that President Donald Trump had not instructed him through coded language to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, as the former Trump lawyer has claimed.
Cohen has testified he believed Trump implicitly directed him to make false statements about the duration of his negotiations during the 2016 presidential campaign on a failed Trump Tower project in Moscow.
Cohen told the House and Senate Intelligence Committees in 2017 negotiations to build the Trump skyscraper ended in January 2016. In fact, Cohen pursued the ill-fated deal through June 2016. He pleaded guilty in the special counsel’s probe to making false statement to Congress, and is serving a three-year prison term for that and other charges.
Cohen’s belief that Trump told him to lie to Congress rests on an interpretation of what he claims was Trump’s coded language.
Cohen said when Trump told him in a May 2017 meeting in the Oval Office to “cooperate” with a congressional request for testimony, he was being instructed to lie. Cohen offered no hard proof to back up his assumption, but he said he had learned how to read Trump’s true instructions after a decade of working with him.
Cohen had at the time been asked to sit for an interview with the House Intelligence Committee. He told Trump he rejected the request, and said Trump had asked him why he did so.
“Mr. Cohen, I just want to be really clear about something you testified to just a couple minutes ago. Describing that Oval Office meeting you had with [Trump lawyer] Jay Sekulow and the President, you said the President said to you, just cooperate. And are you telling this committee that you understood him to be telling you indirectly to lie?” a staffer asked Cohen during his March 6 appearance before the House Intelligence Committee.
“Yes,” Cohen said.
But at one point in his testimony, Cohen acknowledged he could have been misinterpreting Trump.
One congressional staffer asked Cohen:
And I’m just thinking maybe, perhaps, you had this code, but because he said cooperate, there’s nothing to be afraid of, cooperate, not that he said “nothing to be afraid of,” but you see what l’m saying — cooperate, you know, there is no Russia, go forward, that is certainly a plausible explanation, no?
Cohen replied: “It’s plausible.”
The Cohen transcripts, released Monday, further undercut a Jan. 17 report from BuzzFeed News that Trump instructed his longtime lawyer to lie to Congress. The website initially reported Trump directly and explicitly told Cohen to lie about the Trump Tower negotiations. The story also asserted Trump told Cohen to lie about how long the negotiations lasted.
The special counsel’s office pushed back on the story, saying unspecified parts of it were inaccurate. The special counsel’s report also said while there was evidence Trump knew Cohen had given false testimony to Congress, “the evidence available to us does not establish that the President directed or aided Cohen’s false testimony.”
BuzzFeed added updates to its original story, and the reporters who wrote the piece have acknowledged that their story was not accurate. Despite that, the website attempted to spin the Cohen transcripts Tuesday as bolstering the Jan. 17 piece.
“New Transcripts Say That Trump Crafted Michael Cohen’s Lies More Closely Than Was Previously Known,” reads the article headline.
“Newly released transcripts appear to support BuzzFeed News’ report on President Donald Trump and the lies that landed Cohen in jail,” the sub-headline says.
The article’s lead begins with the May 2017 Oval Office meeting, saying Trump, Sekulow and Cohen “huddled to shape Cohen’s pending testimony.”
But according to Cohen’s March 6 testimony, the conversation in the Oval Office did not get into the details of his congressional testimony, which took place months later.
Instead, Cohen said Trump urged him to “cooperate” and reiterated that there was no collusion and no business with Russia.
“Mr. Trump asked — President Trump asked me: ‘Why did you say no? Just cooperate.’ He goes: ‘There’s nothing here. There’s no Russia. There’s no collusion. There’s no business dealings. Why didn’t you cooperate?’” Cohen said.
The special counsel’s report said prosecutors were unable to establish the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government to influence the 2016 election.
Also in his testimony, Cohen refuted all of the allegations made about him in the infamous Steele dossier. Cohen denied visiting Prague during the campaign to pay off Russian hackers, as dossier author Christopher Steele claimed.
Cohen also said he “seriously” doubted the dossier’s claim that the Kremlin had blackmail video of Trump with prostitutes in Moscow.
Cohen testified he had heard rumors of a sex tape for years, but found no evidence to support the claims.
BuzzFeed, which first published the dossier Jan. 10, 2017, has not reported those details of Cohen’s testimony.