Presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden got some advice from longtime Democratic strategist James Carville on Sunday.

Carville told MSNBC’s “Kasie DC” that Biden was “running a smart campaign” and advised him to “do precisely” what he has been doing. He added that Biden should not “listen to all these willy-nilly, namby-pamby Democrats that are panicking” about his campaign strategy to remain in the basement.

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Carville on Biden: ‘He’s doing what he needs to do’

“Do precisely what you’re doing,” Carville insisted. “And don’t listen to all these willy-nilly, namby-pamby Democrats that are panicking. He’s running a smart campaign. He’s doing what he needs to do.”

“When he has to, he’s drawing a contrast,” Carville added.. “I don’t really have a complaint of what the vice president is doing. By the way … Trump is getting in a fight with the Cheney family and the Reagan family. That would be like if Joe Biden got in a fight with the Clintons and the Obamas. I would say that’s not a smart strategy.”

Carville: ‘I’m not worried in the least bit about Joe Biden’

“I mean, I don’t know what this guy is doing or thinking right now,” he continued. “But I think Joe Biden is doing just fine. I think his campaign is really smart and there’s just a lot of handwringing. It’s not 2016. It’s 2020.”

“He’s going to do fine,” Carville emphasized. “I’m not worried in the least bit about Joe Biden. I’m not worried in the least bit about his campaign.”

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Biden avoiding real interviews

Despite Carville’s advice, Biden has been accused of dodging tough interviews, most notably interview requests from Fox News’ Chris Wallace, who recently talked to President Donald Trump.